I just want a shooter. Wonder where Maybe its time to start trading in my pile of Lowers I stacked up last year before the panic kicked in Quoted: Holy crap, I was looking at picking a Luger up at some point, but damn, those are some ugly prices. I read through the topic pretty quick, and didn't see if anyone had bothered to ask if the P08 was import marked or not. Assuming the gun is not a recent import, all matching in correct configuration, and not refinished, then maybe worth some serious bucks.
If it's an import stamped, mismatched refinished gun, it's a shooter. I bought two of Centurys imported P08's in the late 's. Lugers are great pistols, but magazine and ammo picky. Best ammo is usually Winchester USA brand, however I noticed the last box of that I bought was weaker, just on the edge of making my poor old P08's work!
Dont do it. I did and now I am trying buy my third. They are amazing works of machine art. The toggle and mechanism is amazingly fit and machined. I have a commercial from thats pristine.
Literally looks NIB. But the grips are replacements. Dont know what happened to the originals. I also have a police rebuild. It has a sear safety which is not the norm as well as a magzine disconnect which was installed then removed.
True pieces of history. This is one from 42 IIRC, it is all black with the plastic grips and includes 2 correct magazines. All numbers are supposed to match. It also comes with a correct year holster, take down tool etc. I am getting an inspection period prior to sending my end of the bargain.
I am just trying to be able to understand what is what so I can make use of the inspection period. All the time in the world wont matter if I dont know what I am looking at.
Click Where is the black widow? I looked through there and didnt see a black widow. Not in my opinion. I dont either typically. I know they are high, but with 4 mags and tools and holster etc.. I am thinking this may be worth it. Will sleep on it. Sorry it's a BYF. Direct Link I didn't realize I could click on particular guns and pull up an additional page. ETA: This has kinda made me want a Luger.
I just can't stomach the prices I gotcha, he black widow is a different animal. If I understand correctly, they were only made for 2 years so they are pretty tough to come by. Well sorry, I thought I was being helpful. I was just browsing their page and saw that after reading the description at the top of this thread. What makes this one "not" a Black Widow? Wood grips vs. Marketing, actually. There's no such thing as a "Black Widow".
It was a term used to give some mystique to the "lesser thought of by collectors at the time " plastic gripped Lugers. He coined the term and began pimping them as "rare", which led to an era of collectors thinking the "Black Widow" was more special than it was. Ask a collector in Europe about the difference between a "Black Widow" and other Mauser Luders, and you'll get a blank stare.
Show them the two side by side and ask the question and they'll tell you the truth "The grips". Its not all black. The Black Widow is a phrase coined by an American collector referring to the Lugers that were issued with black plastic grips and all the small parts were black. Not a big difference but they only made them for a couple of years, from what I understand. And, you were being helpful.
I wasnt implying otherwise. Thanks for the link. Look at FGS Simpson's is outrageous. How can I tell if the grips are original? Disregard my question about learning if the grips are original; another thread on this site supplied the info needed. Yes, the grips appear to be original; they both have a threaded hole on the backside that fits the grip screw, although they do appear to have some age on them.
With the x suffix the magazine you have is correct for your gun. What does the "original" magazine look like? G un V alues B oard. What's it worth? By Lockdown , 3 years ago on Luger. I can take more photos if needed. Thanks for any help offered. Those may interest you: byf P08 Luger Black Widow value? NOTE: Photographs taken today with the high mega-pixel camera show more than we sometimes can see with the human eye.
Magnified close-ups show us tool marks and natural surface conditions that one normally doesn't see in the ordinary handling of the weapon. Photographs are copyrighted, all rights reserved, any extraction, reproduction or display of gun pictures without the express consent of the Phoenix Investment Arms is strictly prohibited. Thank you for your cooperation. So we have the and Code 42 Lugers. In February Mauser changed from the 42 code to byf, with two digit ''41" dates are representative of the Luger contract production accepted by the German military in There is some serial number over lap between the code and the byf code and it appears in the "n" block.
It is believed that a portion of these were contracts for the Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine. The thumb safety is new style, and blued. The thumb safety is marked 'Gesichert' and safe is down. These end of contract production Lugers the P38 was under production as the side arm were mostly issued to the SS troops that had their own procurement system. That and the fact it was issued to SS police battalions that did the occupation law enforcement behind the front line troops. The bore is good with distinctive lands and groove.
The black plastic grips are what designates this gun as the Black Widow. Serial number placement is in the military "exposed" style.
The serial number appears on the front of the frame, on the side of the locking bolt, on the trigger, on the bottom of the barrel, the side plate, the left side of the receiver, the safety bar, the sear bar, the rear connecting pin, and on the extractor. The all matching serial number on the barrel and the frame reflect also the gauge marking 8. Military Lugers were all numbered with four digits to and then the numbering started over again for that year with 1aa, etc. In production was on a war time footing at Mauser in Oberndorf.
The German military's decision to switch to the less expensive P38 in had begun to reduce the contracts to Mauser to produce Lugers.
In mid Mauser also tooled up to start producing the P However, there was a large requirement to arm all the various police units throughout Germany and the captured territories.
War time production also discarded the extra steps of "straw bluing" the trigger, thumb safety, locking lever in favor of the complete blue process. So to we begin to see the dark colors of the hot salt blue treatment. The grips and magazine bottoms were beginning to be made out of bakelite because of the shortage of wood and aluminum. These magazines were supplied for mostly Mauser Lugers bearing the Code 42 or byf on the toggles and are exceptionally durable magazine.
These FXO on the magazine tells us that it was manufactured by C. Haenel Waffen-U-Fahrradfrabrik in the city of Suhl.
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